More reflections on the ongoing "situation" with a family along one portion of where I walk most for exercise and "well being". The area I walk has many possible routes that give me variety while I also have consistency (parking, distance from home, location for Sheila's knowledge etc.). It's very wide open without many home (two only) and trees which at first I considered a compromise (from walking tree areas). I've come to appreciate many things about that Montana wide open idea. I can let the dogs wander more as they seek "treasures", yet maintain the level of control that is standard for us and I feel that I have the ability to keep them safe (less now which is what this is all about).
I've been walking regularly since before both hip replacements. Prior to that I'd run (NOT jog) from my teens to well into my 40's. Both activities are very, very much "part of me" to my friends (I think), as well as all the common benefits attributed to exercise and outdoor activities. I've been using this area for about a year and a half to a bit more.
Some time in December last year a family moved into one of the two homes. Previously I'd chatted with the owners of the house and actually didn't know the house had been sold. I thought the same family had returned from working in the Dakota's. I chatted with the new lady and found they'd bought the home. She had some small children and I went to the house to tell them about Santa on the roof, and then later to see if they'd come by. Later I cautioned her that I'd seen what could have been a person setting traps and shared information with both the lady and her husband about some poaching and wolf or coyote activity. I also explained much about why and when (all weather and times including nights) I walked that area and that I carried a gun for protection of me and would have myself and the dogs well lighted in the dark and that I would be "an extra set of eyes" in the area if they needed. I'm sure I explained about the dogs and our procedures around other people and vehicles. In other words, I made sure they like everyone else I came across, had more than adequate information to conclude "he's not a problem".
About 2-12 or 13 this year I was walking, the Boyz were wandering when I saw a truck approaching so as usual I called the dogs and stepped well off the road to what would be the drivers right side as he passed. Willie got to me and was on a sit-stay (that's our procedure so others know the dogs are under control). WayVer was coming via the road (his and the drivers right side) along the edge. The truck never slowed down and came within a couple to three feet of him. If he'd turned his head to the left to see behind him, he would have been hit. As would be expected I was "upset/bothered/concerned". We continued and as we did I saw the truck had pulled into the one driveway. I got to the truck and drove over to the house. The lady answered and I asked to talked to her husband. She said he was in the shower and I asked her to pass along a rhetorical question (I said "that means I don't really need an answer") of "How much time did he save by not slowing down for the dog? As I turned to leave she started yelling for me to get off their property and not come back. Very, very vicious and more emotional than I expected. I got in my truck and was ready to leave when the man came out, so I waited (and at some point got out to talk to him). He asked what was going on and I repeated the comment about the rhetorical question. I also explained (somewhere in the conversation) that I thought passing the dog at 20-30 mph wasn't appropriate. He responded "more like 15-20" and said he knew how to drive around dogs because he'd had "lots of dogs chase my truck" (I didn't point out that WayVer was ahead of him going the same direction as he was obviously coming to me and Willie about 8-10 feet off the road).
After that the man and I had a number of discussions. Initially he said his wife was "scared" (I think he said because I'd come to their house) and that he didn't want me "on our property". I assured him that I wouldn't but for him not to "hurt me or these dogs". I also tried to assure him/them (her via him) that I was no danger to them that I was just walking that area as I had been doing. When he said he moved there "for a reason" I said that was the same reason I walked there. At one point he and another guy came (rushing??) up to me at a place a mile or so past their home and on a dead end road (to a cul de sac a developer had made) in an extremely remote area. I'd put the dogs on a sit-stay until they stopped, and then went over to talk to him as the other guy stayed in the truck. He said he'd gotten a call from his wife saying "He's out here again." and he came to "get this straighten out". I again assured him that I was not something they should be worried about and was getting my wallet out so he could copy down my identifying information if he had paper. He said or asked about just taking a picture of it with his phone and I agreed. I also told him I would be walking out there but not going onto their property. At some point the other guy started getting out of the truck. I took one step back and turned so my right hand was away from the driver (my thought was the situation might get dangerous for me). The passenger and driver were/are both much younger, larger and in better physical shape than me and we were past the house in a very remote place about 2 1/2 miles from my truck. The passenger and driver both had stocking hats on that prevented me from recognizing the passenger until I heard his voice. He (at that time) owned a local food serving business in a local bar that Sheila and I visited often. I relaxed and we all talked (to me) pleasantly.
A couple days later I went to see "Kevin" at the restaurant. I wanted to make sure he knew why, if he'd noticed my step back and turn. I asked if he knew about "situational awareness" and he said he did. I explained how for me to have two larger, younger men approach in the remote area certainly caused me concern. I explained I was fine when I saw the unknown passenger staying in the vehicle and after I heard his voice, but as he was getting out I was preparing to draw my gun if needed and that he might want to consider how others see a situation if he ever encounters similar scenarios. He said he worked with Aaron and just happened to ride along and that they weren't really friends just worked together and that Aaron was a plant manager. I said something about Aaron not being very understanding about the positions other than his own and Kevin said that was accurate.
As time passed, Aaron (the man) and his wife would continue past the Boyz and me without (most of the time though she did) "moving over" if we hadn't been able to get off the road in time (I still attemped to move off, just like for all others). Eventually I told Aaron that if they continued to endanger me and the dogs that I would "call the cops". Finally after another time (I don't recall right now exactly what happened and whether the wife or Aaron) I did call the non-emergency number for Ravalli County Dispatch. I talked to a Deputy eventually and he asked for location and identifying information so he could make the contact. (I'd asked for a uniform contact to explain that they should take action to not endanger us) I didn't have a good way to give location (no address on a dirt remote road) or any identification other than "Aaron and he's a plant manager in Stevensville". The Deputy said he needed more and I said I'd try to get it. I then called "Apehangers" the business Kevin owned and asked his wife for information on Aaron's last name and the plant they worked at. She said she was uncomfortable with giving that and didn't want to get involved but wanted to call Kevin. I said that was fine and gave my phone number.
Aaron showed up to my house within a half hour of the call (obviously informed by Kevin after the call from his wife). Initially he came across as aggressive, agitated and as "a hardass". We talked over the gate to my driveway for quite some time. I told him that his attitude and behavior had finally caused me to talk to Law Enforcement and that I intended and asked them to explain "what you need to do". He was upset about the "complaint" and had talked to his attorney and been informed he could apply for a restraining order and his wife was "doing that as we speak". I said I'd like that as a means of "getting this straight". In that conversation I'd said his attitude came across as a hard ass and that he seemed to think he had some "rights" because he lived on that road, that he did NOT have because it was officially a private road with public access. During that conversation it seemed that his attitude changed and became "more reasonable and open to compromise". I explained I felt I'd "bent over backward" to make sure they knew I wasn't a danger and to allow him to alleviate his wife's fears. He said he'd "run a background check on you and know about your past from your drivers license". I explained that yes I had two convictions for assault and that both had been given a Diversion Agreement. I also explained that a second was extremely rare and that the lady had said she'd only done a second a few times previously and that a third would certainly not ever happen. I also said she'd told me she was doing it because, "I know you Roger and both times you were provoked but you can't hit someone". Aaron mentioned my conversation with Kevin about stepping back and turning. I explained my perspective about their approach, the remoteness and that I didn't recognize Kevin until he talked. I explained I stepped back and turned so that if I needed to I could get the gun out, but that I hadn't even touched it. He "explained/warned" me that he'd had guns drawn on him five times. Once when his wife was there and that he'd "took it away and beat him with it". While I certainly didn't believe he him about the number and felt he was exaggerating. I said something to the effect that if he'd had that many experiences like that it might well indicate something about the way he comes across to people. He responded it was because he's a plant manager. I also said that would make his wife's fears seem more reasonable because she knew how he dealt with people. I also said that part of her fear was possibly connected to being in a remote location as a mother of two small children alone when he was gone. I said those fears may well have been directed towards me but that I'd done nothing to warrant them and had in fact gone out of my way to help alleviate them. He then said it was my tone of voice to her that bothered her. I explained that I'd lost the ability to control my tone since I'd left Air Traffic and that of course I sounded concerned and likely angry or agitated after HE had almost hit WayVer. I said I felt that he was the cause and reason of any problem because of his hard ass approach. At some point in this conversation I'd said all I was trying to do was walk in the area and that I expected/demand that he/they give me time to get the dogs and myself safe even if it meant stopping briefly. He said they had twice (that day and once before) stopped. {I realize NOW as I type, that day he'd kept coming as I tried to get off the road and it'd been previously that his wife hadn't stopped either}). I said that I was facing her the time with his wife and that she had NOT stopped and I was just barely clear as she went past and that while my back was turned with the dogs when he'd done the same thing I did not hear any time the wheels weren't continuing (it's a dirt and gravel road) to move.
As that conversation continued I felt it changed to a good exchange of views and positions of concern. I asked Aaron what it was that he wanted. He said he wanted me to not come around and walk elsewhere. As he said that, he immediately said he didn't think it was going to happen and that he wouldn't do that either, but it was his desire. I said he's right it wasn't going to happen and that all I wanted was for them not to endanger me or the dogs. I also asked him to convey my apology for my tone if that's what bothered his wife. I restated (once again) that the road had public access and that I would make my decisions about when and where I would walk on it. (he'd said something about owning land on both sides so that he could tell me to not "cross his property". I told him he better research that.). I thought that as he left that we'd had a good discussion that WOULD resolve problems through understanding what could be expected from each other (he had said they'd slow down, I took that to mean to allow time to get off the road). As I type, I'm not positive but suspect that I would have explained that I get off the road if we see or hear a vehicle in time. Not sure, but I'd be surprised if I failed to point that out when I stated my actions when I see others approaching. Coming back to this paragraph to add: at some point as I stated that I thought his wife might be frightened in the remote location. I mentioned (suggested??) that they may want/need and practice a plan for how she will protect herself and her children when he's not there and when they are all home. I know I mentioned that I felt she should know how to go to or at least put the children in a safe place and how to shoot if someone really did threaten them or enter their home. He said they had a range at their home and practiced "a lot", but stopped when others were approaching. I said that I thought they should continue shooting or even shoot more often when people were passing so that "everybody will hear and know that you practice".
Since that time, my neighbor has joined me walking and his presence has become common. He was not with me the time the children yelled at me that I wasn't supposed to "be here". Initially I would wave at any member of the family, but stopped waving at the lady because her actions seemed to me to indicate she didn't care for it. Aaron would wave, and the children did the one or two times they were outside. Of course I'd told John (neighbor) about my experiences and perspective. He was with me both times relatively recently when as we got off the road I felt the need and did put up my hand to stop them (once the lady and a week ago the man) as they continued towards us at a rate that would prevent us from getting all the way off the road. John has also seen and helped my/our procedures of getting off the road (as I've always attempted) for this family and all other vehicles, horse riders, atv's, and walkers/joggers with or without dogs (regardless of whether other dogs are leashed or not, I have decided individually whether I should or don't need to leash mine).
I'm writing this to "get it down on paper" and also to help me as I reflect on all perspectives and evaluate contributions and actions. I understand/suspect that they may not realize that sometimes we don't know they're approaching and thus they think we're on the road "for spite". I also understand that they may feel they have more say about the presence of others on that road than they expected when they bought the place. I have NOT seen much if any behavior from Aaron or his wife that indicate recognition that they don't control access to the road past their home. Actually, John noticed what he called road rage by the "lady" as she yelled aloud as she drove past one time and again last week when Aaron was driving and almost hit me as I pushed WayVer physically off the road. John says he couldn't hear what she said as Aaron yelled "Get off the fucking road", but that she was yelling something. Part of my reflecting thoughts are the lessons the children are learning as their parents act and discuss me and the walks. Twice at least, they've seen and/or heard behavior that IMO is way, way inappropriate lessons. The children seemed to have (mistakenly) learned that the family has power or authority that they don't legally have.
I am concerned about the safety and actions that are to be expected as I walk in the area and on the road. I am also concerned about what will happen when eventually I am driving to or from my parking spot and we must pass TWO vehicles on the road. I'm convinced that regardless of what I do, their actions and views will be along the lines of what seem to be intended to intimidate and bully me into going elsewhere as Aaron expressed as a desire. Last week I called the non-emergency dispatch number of Ravalli County and asked to be transferred to the non-emergency number for Missoula County. Talking to Missoula County after saying I'd almost been struck by a driver that had almost struck my dog previously. The dispatcher told me my dog was "supposed to be on a leash". I questioned that as a requirement and asked if the county did have a statute to that effect. She said that I had to contact Animal Control to make sure (I have and the county does NOT have that requirement, while the city does). She also stated she would have a Montana State Trooper contact me. I questioned that and repeated that it was in Missoula County that I'd been almost hit and thought it "could be handled" by a Deputy. Eventually I requested a Deputy call me and she indicated one would and did. The Deputy also focused more on the dogs and a leash rather than a driver almost hitting a pedestrian. I also eventually asked him to stop interrupting me when I was talking. After saying that and explaining that I knew my reasonable responsibilities but that the driver also had reasonable responsibilities. I got the impression that he then decided that maybe he should make a contact with the driver though he had said it was a Trooper's jurisdiction because it was a "moving violation". I told him that I would be contacting the state LE's. (at that point it had been more than apparent to me that this Deputy was very, very likely to end up reassuring Aaron and his wife that they COULD continue their present behavior legally and with some immunity). I contacted the Montana Highway Patrol when I got home and a Trooper did call me back shortly. He did seem to indicated that my views were correct and appropriate. He stated he would be making the Uniformed contact I desired but not that day (Friday 11/29) because he was the only Trooper on duty and knowing the remote location didn't want to be unavailable for needed responses. He assured me he would make a contact before he got off duty Sunday. I asked for and was assured he would contact me back. He seemed to take more interest when I mentioned Aaron, the driver yelling at me. He also indicated that depending on the contact he may (or may NOT) write a citation about either reckless or negligent endangerment (I don't recall exactly which he said).
Today as I write this, it's less than two hours from a week ago that I was almost struck. The Trooper has had two voice messages left on the phone asking for him to get back to me and that I realize the weather last weekend prevented his contact, but I'd like to know if/when he has or if he will. I've heard nothing from the Trooper or any Missoula County officer since the Sheriff called and said he'd have his people "look into this" or "take care of this" after he received my two page letter expressing concerns about the dispatch and Deputy responses and my intent to continue walking where I choose.
It is obvious that the easy (and some would say "correct") action on my part would be to go elsewhere for my walks and "avoid trouble/danger". I don't think it WOULD or should be easy. Maybe for some, certainly not for me or many others that feel the need to take a stand against intimidation and/or bullying. I do know and accept that any and all of my subsequent walks will be affected by this situation/experience regardless of where or when I choose to walk. I will forever be even more cautious of the dangers and attitudes of others while I walk. I will always be again even more concerned about about people assuming control or authority that they don't really have. I mentioned above about choosing where and when I walk. Included in that or as a result of my commitment to retaining my own authority to choose and be responsible for my actions/behavior. I feel compelled to say (in closing) that I will choose and accept the consequences of my choice to continue walking this problematic road. I will do that because it is a legal choice and in my view correct choice. The Trooper and others have and will say I have the "right". I don't use that word because it is IMO used too frequently though it is correct. I fully expect that Aaron and/or his wife will continue to retain and likely build their rage and resentment towards me. I do believe (and accept my part) they will continue to escalate their actions to the point that they may very well hurt me and/or WayVer or Willie. I fully intend to choose to function as a citizen of both Montana and America. While I'm disappointed in the response of Law Enforcement so far, I believe they will intervene and attempt to diffuse/prevent further conflict. I believe the week long delay will counter the effectiveness of their attempt (I suspect the delay will "reinforce" incorrect assumptions by Aaron and/or his wife. I fully expect that at some point in the future I will be calling 911 rather than the non-emergency number because either the dogs and/or I will be hurt walking a road with legal public access but opposed by a family along that road.
If you're as certain as you are that you'll ultimately be calling 911 regarding this issue, please get the GPS coordinates as well as an address (or fire number/name of road) so that emergency dispatch can get someone to assist you.
ReplyDeleteI'm not going to bother asking you to reconsider walking there even if just for the dogs safety, I know you too well for that, but at least take the precaution of knowing the information to get help to you quickly (I'd also say you should memorize this info not just have it written in a place you may or may not be able to get to if YOU are the one hurt.
Thanks and I WILL document that information, but also knowing my memory you are aware that I probably cannot memorize and retain it. The address I shared with the Trooper is almost immediately across from the house and driveway. It's a number only on a mailbox. I told him that I'd presume the name of the road, but while it's depicted on some maps, it is NOT named except for the paved part. The name does NOT come up though the road seems to continue.
DeleteI will waypoint and actually had but have either subdued it from coming up or deleted it entirely. I fully expect that eventually today or next week I will have an opportunity to give the house address to the Sheriff's office. The Trooper indicated he "knew" where the house was.